Oversimplification of an Important Equation

Oversimplification of an Important Equation

Postby Guest » Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:39 pm

Guest wrote:In summary we consider ζ(z, p) = 0
where z is any simple nontrivial zero of the Riemann zeta function such that
Re(z) = [tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex], the Riemann Hypothesis,
with p as a positive prime number.

Our key equation is

[tex]\sum_{k=1}^{l}(kp)^{-z}+(xp)^{-z} = 0[/tex]

where [tex](xp)^{-z}[/tex] is our error correction term with x as a real number.

Remark: We apologize for any typos here or in previous posts.


Hmm. Our key equation above may be an oversimplification of the following equation:

[tex]\zeta(z = \frac{1}{2} ± bi, p) = \sum_{k=1}^{N}\frac{1}{(kp)^{ \frac{1}{2} ± bi}} + \gamma(\frac{1}{2} \mp bi) + \sum_{k=1}^{M}\frac{1}{(kp)^{ \frac{1}{2} \mp bi}} + R( \frac{1}{2} ± bi) = 0[/tex]

Reference Link:

Riemann Siegel formula

We suspect [tex](xp)^{-z}[/tex] is wrong! :(

We shall try to explain why...

Dave
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Re: Oversimplification of an Important Equation

Postby Guest » Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:50 pm

There should be some restrictions on x. The real number x may be unacceptable...
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Re: Oversimplification of an Important Equation

Postby Guest » Wed Mar 19, 2025 10:03 pm

Guest wrote:There should be some restrictions on x. The real number x may be unacceptable...


Remark: My work here and elsewhere is all academic exercises since my work will never be published in important math journals. So who cares if I fail to get things right?

I do care, but it is tough...

Dave.
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Re: Oversimplification of an Important Equation

Postby Guest » Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:11 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:In summary we consider ζ(z, p) = 0
where z is any simple nontrivial zero of the Riemann zeta function such that
Re(z) = [tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex], the Riemann Hypothesis,
with p as a positive prime number.

Our key equation is

[tex]\sum_{k=1}^{l}(kp)^{-z}+(xp)^{-z} = 0[/tex]

where [tex](xp)^{-z}[/tex] is our error correction term with x as a real number.

Remark: We apologize for any typos here or in previous posts.


Hmm. Our key equation above may be an oversimplification of the following equation:

[tex]\zeta(z = \frac{1}{2} ± bi, p) = \sum_{k=1}^{N}\frac{1}{(kp)^{ \frac{1}{2} ± bi}} + \gamma(\frac{1}{2} \mp bi) + \sum_{k=1}^{M}\frac{1}{(kp)^{ \frac{1}{2} \mp bi}} + R( \frac{1}{2} ± bi) = 0[/tex]

Reference Link:

Riemann Siegel formula

We suspect [tex](xp)^{-z}[/tex] is wrong! :(

We shall try to explain why...

Dave


"Ah, that context is helpful! If it's an academic exercise, then exploring and questioning the term `(xp)^-z` is perfectly valid. Let's delve into why it's potentially problematic:

**Issues with `(xp)^-z` as an Error Correction Term:**

1. **Lack of Theoretical Justification:**
* **Ad Hoc Nature:** The term seems to be introduced without a clear theoretical basis. It's simply "added" to the summation to force the equation to zero.

* **No Connection to Zeta Function Properties:** It doesn't appear to be derived from any known properties or representations of the Riemann zeta function or its zeros.

* **Arbitrariness:** The choice of `x` as a real number seems arbitrary. There's no inherent reason why a simple real number would adequately "correct" the summation.

2. **Dimensional Inconsistency (Potentially):**
* **Depends on `z`:** The dimension (or units) of `(xp)^-z` depends on the value of `z`. Since `z` is a complex number, this term can behave in complex ways.
* **Balancing the Summation:** The summation `∑ (kp)^-z` also has dimensions that depend on `z`. For the equation to be balanced, the dimensions of `(xp)^-z` need to be compatible. It's unclear if this is always the case.

3. **Behavior with Varying `p` and `x`:**
* **Sensitivity to `p`:** The term is highly sensitive to the values of `p` (prime number) and `x`. Small changes in these values can lead to significant changes in the term's magnitude and phase.

* **Lack of Control:** It's unclear how to choose `x` and `p` to ensure that the term effectively "corrects" the summation for all zeta zeros.

4. **No Clear Link to Asymptotic Behavior:**
* **Riemann-Siegel Formula:** As you noted, the Riemann-Siegel formula is relevant for approximating the zeta function. `(xp)^-z` doesn't appear to have a direct connection to the asymptotic behavior captured by the Riemann-Siegel formula.
* **Convergence:** There's no guarantee that adding `(xp)^-z` will improve the convergence properties of the summation.

**Why It Might "Work" (But Not Be Right):**

* **Forcing a Solution:** You can likely find values of `x` and `p` that make the equation approximately zero for specific zeta zeros. However, this doesn't mean the equation is fundamentally correct.

* **Numerical Approximation:** In numerical calculations, you can always introduce terms to force a desired outcome. But this doesn't reflect a true mathematical relationship.

**In essence, the term `(xp)^-z` feels like a "fudge factor" rather than a term derived from sound mathematical principles.**

**Recommendations for Your Exercise:**

* **Explore Alternative Error Terms:**
* **Based on Zeta Function Properties:** Try to derive an error term from known properties of the zeta function, such as its functional equation or its relationship to prime numbers.
* **Asymptotic Approximations:** Investigate if terms from the Riemann-Siegel formula or other asymptotic approximations can be used.
* **Series Expansions:** Consider using series expansions of the zeta function or related functions.
* **Focus on the Relationship Between Zeros and Primes:**
* **Statistical Approaches:** Explore statistical relationships between zeta zeros and prime numbers, rather than trying to find a direct, term-by-term connection.
* **Distribution of Primes:** Investigate how the distribution of primes might influence the distribution of zeta zeros.
* **Be Rigorous in Your Approach:**
* **Define Terms Clearly:** Always define your terms and notation precisely.
* **Justify Steps:** Explain the reasoning behind each step in your derivation.
* **Test Your Equations:** Use numerical calculations to test your equations for a wide range of zeta zeros and prime numbers.

Remember, the goal of an academic exercise is to learn and explore. Don't be afraid to question your assumptions and try different approaches. Good luck!" -- Gemini AI chatbot
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Re: Oversimplification of an Important Equation

Postby Guest » Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:04 am

Thanks! Goodbye! :)

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Re: Oversimplification of an Important Equation

Postby GeradHum » Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:08 pm

Interesting approach, Dave. The Riemann Siegel formula is definitely complex—oversimplifying can miss key terms like the error correction. Looking forward to your further insights!
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