Equation which is nonstandard - x^2-10[x]+17=0

Equation which is nonstandard - x^2-10[x]+17=0

Postby MM » Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:59 am

Solve the equation
[tex]x^{2}-10\left[x\right]+17=0[/tex]
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Postby broniran » Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:50 am

Because [tex]x=[x]+[/tex]{[tex]x[/tex]} let us substitute [tex][x]=y[/tex] and {[tex]x[/tex]}=[tex]z[/tex], which implies [tex]0\le z<1[/tex]. We easily obtain
[tex](y+z)^2-10y+17=0[/tex]
which is equivalent to:
[tex]y^2+2y(z-5)+y^2+17=0[/tex]
and solving it like a quadratic equation for [tex]y[/tex]. The discriminant is:
[tex]D=(z-5)^2-z^2-17=-10z+8[/tex] and thus we obtain [tex]z\le 0,8[/tex].

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Postby MM » Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:55 pm

So what?

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Postby broniran » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:03 pm

We have real and different solutions for all [tex]x[/tex] which have {[tex]x[/tex]}[tex]\le 0,8[/tex].

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Postby MM » Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:46 am

Since y is integer we are not looking for real solutions, but integer as well.
Let [tex]x=15,5[/tex] then [tex]\left{x\right}=0,5<0,8[/tex]. But [tex]15,5^{2}-10*15+17=0[/tex] is not true.

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Postby broniran » Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:03 pm

OK. Obviously [tex]x[/tex] has to be integer. So the equation is:
[tex]x^2-10x+17[/tex], which doesn't have integer solution.
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Postby MM » Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:13 am

Why x has to be integer?
Take [tex]x=\sqrt{23}[/tex]. Than [tex]23-10*4+17=0[/tex] which is true.

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Postby Rock'n'roller » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:27 am

Hint: [x] ≤ x.

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Postby broniran » Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:41 am

Rock'n'roller wrote:Hint: [x] ≤ x.
And what?

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Postby Rock'n'roller » Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:20 pm

-[x] ≥ -x
0 = x2 - 10[x] + 17 ≥ x2 - 10x + 17

Solving 0 ≥ x2 - 10x + 17, we get the interval for x - and for [x] too.

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Postby MM » Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:08 pm

Obviously x2 is integer. We could obtain that x is not integer. So let x2=m2+n, where m and n are natural and 1≤n≤2m. Than we have the equation m2+n-10m+17=0. Towards m we obtain D=8-n and the following is easy.

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