Rational & Irrational Numbers

Rational & Irrational Numbers

Postby nycmath » Thu Aug 13, 2026 10:45 am

Precalculus
David Cohen
Edition 3
Chapter 1, Section 1.1

In exercises 62-64, give an example of irrational numbers a and b such that the indicated expression is (a) rational; (b) irrational.

62. a + b

63. ab

64. a/b
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Re: Rational & Irrational Numbers

Postby Eigenvalue » Thu Aug 13, 2026 5:36 pm

64. Two square roots whose quotient is a perfect square
[tex]\frac{sqrt{a}}{sqrt{b}}[/tex]=[tex]\sqrt{n²}[/tex]=n

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Re: Rational & Irrational Numbers

Postby nycmath » Thu Aug 13, 2026 7:19 pm

Eigenvalue wrote:64. Two square roots whose quotient is a perfect square
[tex]\frac{sqrt{a}}{sqrt{b}}[/tex]=[tex]\sqrt{n²}[/tex]=n


Can you explain your answer to 64?

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Re: Rational & Irrational Numbers

Postby Eigenvalue » Thu Aug 13, 2026 7:21 pm

a and b are the irrational numbers mentioned in the question.
Let the quotient of a and b be n².
If the quotient of a and b is a perfect square, then the square root of n² will be n, a rational number

If not, the result is irrational
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Re: Rational & Irrational Numbers

Postby Eigenvalue » Thu Aug 13, 2026 7:23 pm

62. If a and b are opposites, e.g. a=-b or vice versa, the. a-b is rational.
62b. If a is not the opposite of b, then the result is irrational

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Re: Rational & Irrational Numbers

Postby nycmath » Thu Aug 13, 2026 7:28 pm

Eigenvalue wrote:a and b are the irrational numbers mentioned in the question.
Let the quotient of a and b be n².
If the quotient of a and b is a perfect square, then the square root of n² will be n, a rational number

If not, the result is irrational


Ok. Now I get it. Thank you.
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Re: Rational & Irrational Numbers

Postby nycmath » Thu Aug 13, 2026 7:30 pm

Eigenvalue wrote:62. If a and b are opposites, e.g. a=-b or vice versa, the. a-b is rational.
62b. If a is not the opposite of b, then the result is irrational


Can you give an example using numbers for 62 (a) and (b)?

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Re: Rational & Irrational Numbers

Postby Eigenvalue » Thu Aug 13, 2026 7:48 pm

62. Let a=[tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex] and b=-[tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex]
a+b=0
0 is rational

If a does not equal b:
Let a=[tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex] and b=[tex]\sqrt{3}[/tex]
a+b=[tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex]+[tex]\sqrt{3}[/tex], which is irrational

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Re: Rational & Irrational Numbers

Postby nycmath » Fri Aug 14, 2026 4:14 am

Eigenvalue wrote:62. Let a=[tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex] and b=-[tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex]
a+b=0
0 is rational

If a does not equal b:
Let a=[tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex] and b=[tex]\sqrt{3}[/tex]
a+b=[tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex]+[tex]\sqrt{3}[/tex], which is irrational


Perfect. You see the importance of using actual numbers in your explanation.

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Re: Rational & Irrational Numbers

Postby Eigenvalue » Fri Aug 14, 2026 7:26 am

63. For a to.be rational, a and b must have a product that is a perfect square. If not, it is irrational.

Let a=[tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex] and b=[tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex]
ab=2; 2 is rational

Let a=[tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex] and b=[tex]\sqrt{3}[/tex]
ab=[tex]\sqrt{6}[/tex]; sqrt(6) is irrational

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Re: Rational & Irrational Numbers

Postby nycmath » Fri Aug 14, 2026 3:23 pm

Eigenvalue wrote:63. For a to.be rational, a and b must have a product that is a perfect square. If not, it is irrational.

Let a=[tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex] and b=[tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex]
ab=2; 2 is rational

Let a=[tex]\sqrt{2}[/tex] and b=[tex]\sqrt{3}[/tex]
ab=[tex]\sqrt{6}[/tex]; sqrt(6) is irrational


What can I say? To the point and clear.

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