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Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:36 pm

[quote="Guest"]Please crack (factor) I (see attached file) in polynomial time ('prime time'). Good luck! :)

Please share (post here) your answers. Thank you! :)

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:34 pm

2.37 - 2.33 = .04 Right :!:

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:33 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:Please crack (factor) I (see attached file) in polynomial time ('prime time'). Good luck! :)


Time is up! What's the answer?

We want to know. Thanks! :)


The correct answer will win 4 ripe and delicious apples! Yum. Yum...

2.37 - 2.33 = .004 Right :?:

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:03 pm

Guest wrote:Please crack (factor) I (see attached file) in polynomial time ('prime time'). Good luck! :)


Time is up! What's the answer?

We want to know. Thanks! :)

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:20 pm

Please crack (factor) I (see attached file) in polynomial time ('prime time'). Good luck! :)
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Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:45 pm

Guest wrote:Remarks: Our analysis is a mess! :cry: Maybe it's time retire... We are discouraged at this point.

And we shall focus our attention elsewhere.

We apologize for the flawed analysis. But all is not lost... And there's always hope.

Dave :)


Hey Dave,

Your analysis is fine! :)

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:12 pm

[tex]\sum_{k=1}^{\infty }\frac{cos(2 \pi k \sqrt{I + \lambda^{2}})}{k} = \infty[/tex] if [tex]\sqrt{I + \lambda^{2}}[/tex] is a positive integer.

The answer is the very important Harmonic Series! And that's all folks! :)

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:45 pm

Remarks: We expect no feedback from our readers (mathematicians). What a predicament! :cry:

Dave.

P.S. Yes, it's time to retire and focus our energies elsewhere. Goodbye!

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:16 pm

Guest wrote:Remarks: Our analysis is a mess! :cry: Maybe it's time to retire... We are discouraged at this point.

And we shall focus our attention elsewhere.

We apologize for the flawed analysis. But all is not lost... And there's always hope.

Dave :)

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:13 pm

Remarks: Our analysis is a mess! :cry: Maybe it's time retire... We are discouraged at this point.

And we shall focus our attention elsewhere.

We apologize for the flawed analysis. But all is not lost... And there's always hope.

Dave :)

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:02 pm

What is the value of [tex]\sum_{k=1}^{\infty }\frac{cos(2 \pi k \sqrt{I + \lambda^{2}})}{k}[/tex]?

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:54 pm

Our analysis is wrong!

Dave. :cry:

Where did our analysis begin to go astray?

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:50 pm

Update!

Dave wrote:Equation 0: [tex]\sum_{k=1}^{\infty }\frac{sin(2 \pi k \sqrt{I + \lambda^{2}})}{k} = 0[/tex] if [tex]\sqrt{I + \lambda^{2}}[/tex] is a positive integer.

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Given the integral value, [tex]I = p * q[/tex] for odd primes, p > q, what is [tex]\lambda[/tex]?

Can the Newton's Method solve equation zero? It is worth a try.

Relevant Reference Link:

'Newton's Method',

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_method.

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:20 am

Dave wrote:Equation 0: [tex]\sum_{k=1}^{\infty }\frac{sin(2 \pi k \sqrt{I + \lambda^{2}})}{k} = \frac{\pi}{2}[/tex]

where [tex]\lambda[/tex] is a positive integer such that [tex]1 \le \lambda \le \frac{p - 3}{2}[/tex]. (Update)

Given the integral value, [tex]I = p * q[/tex] for odd primes, p > q, what is [tex]\lambda[/tex]?

Can the Newton's Method solve equation zero? It is worth a try.

Relevant Reference Link:

'Newton's Method',

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_method.

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:05 pm

FYI: Newton's Method may not work, but it is worth a try. We must beware of the global minimum, 0, versus many local minima in the open interval, (0, 1), oscillations, and the failure analysis associated with Newton's Method.

However, Newton's Method could be a valuable complementary tool for other tools (continued fraction factorization algorithm, general number field sieve algorithm, etc.) in regards to solving our problem.

Relevant Reference Links:

'Failure Analysis associated with Newton's Method',

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_method#Failure_analysis;

'Integer Factorization in PT (Polynomial Time)',

https://www.math10.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=8985&p=17162#p17162.

Dave.

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:38 pm

Dave wrote:Equation 0: [tex]\sum_{k=1}^{\infty }\frac{sin(2 \pi k \sqrt{I + \lambda^{2}})}{k} = \frac{\pi}{2}[/tex]

where [tex]\lambda[/tex] is a positive integer such that [tex]1 \le \lambda < \frac{\sqrt{I}}{2}[/tex]. (Update)

Given the integral value, [tex]I = p * q[/tex], what is [tex]\lambda[/tex]?

Can the Newton's Method solve equation zero? It is worth a try.

Relevant Reference Link:

'Newton's Method',

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_method.

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:54 am

Equation 0: [tex]\sum_{k=1}^{\infty }\frac{sin(2 \pi k \sqrt{I + \lambda^{2}})}{k} = \frac{\pi}{2}[/tex]

where [tex]\lambda[/tex] is a positive integer such that [tex]1 \le \lambda < \frac{\sqrt{I}}{4}[/tex].

Given the integral value, [tex]I = p * q[/tex], what is [tex]\lambda[/tex]?

Can the Newton's Method solve equation zero? It is worth a try.

Dave.

Relevant Reference Link:

'Newton's Method',

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_method.

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:23 pm

Dave wrote:Oops! [tex](log(p * q))^{2}[/tex] is the wrong formula! The [tex](log(p * q))^{2}[/tex] works for the largest gap between consecutive primes less than p * q.

Correction! [tex]2 \le 2 \lambda < \frac{\sqrt{I}}{2}[/tex] is probably closer to the truth.

Is integer factorization achievable in polynomial time? WE DO NOT KNOW!

Simple Dave :oops:


"We will know!" -- David Hilbert, a great mathematician.
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Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:19 am

Oops! [tex](log(p * q))^{2}[/tex] is the wrong formula! The [tex](log(p * q))^{2}[/tex] works for the largest gap between consecutive primes less than p * q.

Correction! [tex]2 \le 2 \lambda < \frac{\sqrt{I}}{2}[/tex] is probably closer to the truth.

Is integer factorization achievable in polynomial time? WE DO NOT KNOW!

Simple Dave :oops:

Re: Randomness can be a useful tool for solving problems.

Post by Guest » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:51 pm

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Dave wrote:We are given the integer, I (a 1000-digit integer: please see attachment below), which is a product two unknown primes, p (a 500-digit integer) and q (a 500-digit integer).

What is [tex]\sqrt{I}[/tex] ?

What are p and q?

Source Link:

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=NextPrimeNumber%5BRandomReal%5B%7B1%2C10%7D%5D+*10%5E499%5D+*+NextPrimeNumber%5BRandomReal%5B%7B1%2C10%7D%5D+*10%5E499%5D.

Hmm. Can we combine tools (continued fraction factorization, general number field sieve algorithm, etc.) to achieve integer factorization of I (see attachment below) in polynomial time?

Dave.

The Problem: We are given a large positive integer, I, which is a product of two unknown odd primes, p > q.

What are p and q?

The Solution Formulation:

We generate a system of two equations with three unknowns since [tex]p - q = 2 \lambda[/tex] for some unknown positive integer, [tex]2 \lambda[/tex]:

1. [tex]p * q = I[/tex];

2. [tex]p - q = 2 \lambda[/tex] such that [tex]1 \le \lambda < \frac{log^{2} (pq)}{2}[/tex].

The Question: Can we achieve integer factorization of I in polynomial time?

The Answer: Yes! We can affirmatively achieve integer factorization of I in polynomial time.

Dave,

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/David_Cole29.

Go Blue! :D


"Simple seeks simplest (best) solution." :)

Moreover,

1a. [tex]q = -\lambda + \sqrt{I + \lambda^{2}}[/tex] where [tex]1 \le \lambda < \frac{log^{2} (pq)}{2}[/tex];

1b. [tex]p = \frac{I}{q}[/tex].

For our particular problem, we have [tex]1 \le \lambda < 2,650,949[/tex].

Dave.

Go Blue!

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